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Oh yeah that's sending out the right message. Let's beat up the gay guys, that'll make them straight. What THE FUCK? It would have been better if Prince was KILLED then Pomie would have spent life in jail getting gangbanged and raped every day of his life instead this spineless FUCK apologizes? Shit what is this world coming to?
What, is there like an Exodus Forum where you guys discussed swarming over here? Whatever, you always manage to give yourselves away...there's always a plain difference (even in mere text) between the expressions of a bisexual man extolling the virtues of his opposite-sex spouse versus the invariably judgemental and self-hating ramblings of those who underwent a religiously-based process of self-brainwashing. If you want to *sell* this lie to the Queer Community at large, you should assume rejection. You're not trying to push for the recognition of the complexity of sexual identity, you're trying to deny it. This is why we'll never hear Exodus Zombies talking about embracing bisexuality...they're NOT. they're rejecting their own homosexuality, and their motivation is invariably hatred of their own homoerotic impulses, typically for reasons based on religious inculcation and the bigotry of the wider society.
I never understood the people who say it didn't work for me so therefore, it can't work for anyone else. I agree that gay bashing is wrong and no one should live a lie. But to say just because your ex-husband tried and failed doesn't mean no one has succeeded. I used to only be attracted to men, but I now have a great relationship with my wife to whom I am very sexually attracted. I'm sorry it didn't work out for your husband. I don't think he didn't change just because he didn't "try hard enough". Sexuality is a complicated thing. But just because things didn't work out for him doesn't mean everyone else is "just self hypnotizing for awhile." I am being true to myself and that includes loving my wife. Denying a gay identity is not necessarily a bad thing. It didn't work for your husband, but that doesn't mean it won't work for everyone. The APA has said there is "no clear evidence of harm" and "some people seem to be content with that path." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124950491516608883.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
Sorry, this is essentially off topic but it does address some of the posts so I hope I'll be forgiven. My ex-husband is gay and no one worked harder at not being gay....he slaved over it until after 33 years of marriage he just couldn't do it anymore. While I'm sure there have been some men who've managed to die having lived their whole life as a lie I do not for one minute believe that any group, faith based or not, can change you forever. For awhile you might be able to fake it and no doubt go on endlessly about how amazing, yadda, yadda, yadda it is to be straight but you're just self hypnotizing for awhile....be true to yourself instead and there were be far fewer people hurt in the long run. And, on topic, finally, if flirting is a justification for someone to abuse and maim others then I guess I would have been well within my rights to kill the different men who grabbed my tits and ass or stuck their unwelcome tongue half way down my throat...including a new family member at my wedding? Gay bashing is wrong...full stop...no ifs, ands, buts or maybes....it's wrong, it's a crime and it is unforgivable.
Joshua, Dwan was bashed only by Steven Pomie and his friends. Here we discuss Dwan's collapse into self-hatred and self-negation...as a cautionary tale, "don't become like this poor guy". You can describe Dwan's self-betrayal as "love" all you like, but you fool no one but yourself and the other self-denying, self-hating quasi-zombies of Exodus etc. You lie explicitly when you claim that "science has proven" that sexual identity can be changed, your own link refutes you! If you can't even concoct a plausible deception for us, why should anyone entertain your benighted points?
Go Dwan for showing love even when brutally attacked. In my book, he is a hero. Oriol, I do not think it is helpful to bash Dwan, who is clearly a victim in this case. In America we are free to chose whatever path we want. For whatever reason, Dwan was unhappy with his sexual identity. Science has proven that through therapy and support groups, a person can change their sexual identity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego-dystonic_sexual_orientation ) We will never be free until we learn to accept everyone for who they are.
Brian, obviously we can't know exactly what's inside someone's head, but the news reports indicated that Steven Pomie was wearing a pink tanktop lent by his girlfriend, and that Dwan Prince flirted with him by complimenting how well the shirt showed off Stene's physique. provocative, perhaps, but hardly maim-worthy. which brings me to... JASON: While many (perhaps most) human beings are bisexual to some extent, the organizations and movement you cite have nothing to do with that truth. They are brainwashing groups that bring misery and deception into people's lives as a permanent fixture. You are free to condemn yourself via the grotesque lies and deluded, psychopathic laws of Leviticus, but you may never expect the larger Queer community to take you seriously as anything more than a sad head-case: we just won't. I may pity you, but i won't leave your attempts to validate Dwan's disgrace unanswered. You and he both would attempt to validate the savage physical and psychological attacks Queer people are subjected to in this society. You got another thing coming!
MARCELO
BRAZIL IS STILL AHEAD OF BEING A DEMOCRACY "Sad reality of a Brazilian" Many people speak of the evolution of the Brazilian economy and that of democracy. They do not know what is happening here. There are over 10 years I owned a company there. The company went very well and was one of the largest fourniseurs chain of department stores-Brazilian. It is awash in cash, until the day this channel started to stop payment orders. Six months after such a big failure that there was a repercurssion subsequent years for employment and industry, it was a giant of Brazil. She was well on fraudulent but his boss is still at large and even manages to show that he remained billionaire (there are about two billion dollars and it 's call'd Mr. RICARDO MANSUR and his ex-company Mappin - MESBLA) . I have lost everything at that time, my two companies and all the money. I have had to sell property for not making greater harm to my associates, however, keeping my apartment where I lived. The Brazilian law was very clear about the fact that people were not responsible for their failure (in case it would not have had bad conduct members, did not meet with their belongings on their legal debts). There is also a law that limits the liability of shareholders in the amount capital integralisé. Indeed there is in Brazil a very well elaborated the Civil Code and the Federal Constitution and laws to the limit of perfection (obviously loaded on Europe and America, but they exist). Since the bankruptcy of the big chain stores, the Brazilian government has been unable to find or money was spent, it was all gone, 't was not even enough to pay staff (scandal). I, therefore, I began to receive legal proceeding is called ilegales (I had not committed fraud, I had left my superior values and social capital should not be bothered). But I have had some Judicial procedures and therefore a demand for auction from my apartment. Being surprised at this, I fought with my lawyer proving both the Civil Code and the Federal Constitution that they went against the Act. And they are gone up to do an auction of my apartment. The first auction for its genuine value there has been no taker. The price of R $ 600,000.00 (six hundred thousand reais) has not attracted a buyer. And that is that in contradiction to a new Brazilian law judge has come off the auction and the determina requisition of the apartment by breaking a third procedure one year after its price in half, when the market had increased 12% . So there we came to R $ 300,000.00 (one hundred thousand reais Three Different). The bid came it did not have a buyer at half price and asked for another judge read auction and where it would not have had a new bid taker 5 (five) minutes. The Brazilian law requires a minimum period of 5 (five) days interval between auctions, but the judge could do. So he made the first bid price of R$ 180,000.00 (one hundred eighty thousand reais), and as he did not Lessee has conducted the second bid price of R$ 90,000.00 (eighty ten thousand reais) and he had taker. I could not understand a 200m ² apartment in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods of São Paulo could be worth so low! My lawyer has challenged the law by demonstrating and describing the quoted items, matching items and juriprudences but nothing. He always gave to the successful party. I researched everything to understand what was happening and found the company which had bought was a professional auction properties in São Paulo and they had 30 (thirty members to be as interested fasaient pass the property by discouraging other buyers). Once the others moved away from the prey, they fasaîent lower the price with the complicity of the dealer auction and the judge. It is disgusting for people experiencing financial precariusness end up in misery complete because they are not permit them to buy anything. Despite the evidence that we have added nothing was agreed. Despite calls to demonstrate that the Brazilian law that is clearly stated that when there is too much damage for a share of the matter is considered liable nulité. The company which we call « CONSTRUÇÕES E SERVIÇOS LTDA BLANCHARD LTDA » was by itself responsible for more than 40% (quarente percent) of market purchases on the auction of the Labour Court of São Paulo. We even managed to demonstrate that the company had thirty people who didn 't have that as a profession the most modest kind: building worker, cashier, sales store, mechanic (professions do not allow to be associated with a company this size) but nothing. It was clear that they were to cover the names of the real bosses. It ets that we understand the democracy and freedom and Brazilian Laws of this country. They exist on paper but the judges are so corrupt at all levels that are neither powerless. They say that they are right and point. It has no transparency and yet we went to the highest court, but nothing. We even before the new agency created by President Lula to fight again corruption in the judiciary sistem with all the evidence in support, but nothing (that organization's called THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF JUSTICE) and it came to be called give more transparency to justice. Between all the corruption we have here when you have a company (you must pay for the municipal license, the license regional, national license to the register at the Ministry of Health, with each consignment that you want to remove imports, there are cases where you have to pay to be secure even the police ......). It's sad. I pleaded with the judge at first instance (Judge PAULO EDUARDO VIEIRA DE OLIVEIRA dula 49th Region Labour São Paulo), to redo the auction as the Act calls for injury to a share and it 'was not . As the second instance, (Judge Barreto Rocha Lizette BELIDO) and even with texts Act in support, that was not. In action (Judge LUIZ CARLOS NORBERTO), who still laws to explain the invalidity of the sale and not. As a last resort (Judge AMÉRICO CARNEVALLE) that once I demonstrated the system of barrier fraud comprobation indisputable documentation has been revised to have its place (Judge MAGDA APARECIDA KERSUL de Brito), that the apology for taking If at the last minute could not have a clear idea of the whole complex and neither time. My lawyer, seeing my despair spoke with the President of Regional Labour Court of the Second Region of São Paulo where these judgments took place (Mr. DÉCIO SEBASTIÃO DAIDONE), and he said that in this phase c 'was very difficult reventing back as well as Vice-President (Mr. NELSON NAZAR). It is there that I realized that the lowest to the highest authority they are all corrupt. They shared the large margins that are lowering the prices of real estate, buying and selling at high prices. I have dennoncé all, (by sending in a comprehensive evidence in each case) to the Minister of Justice (Mr. LUIZ PAULO BARRETO) and I received a letter from a secretary saying that it was not its jurisdiction and which would transmit to the competent authority, I have never heard anything. As was a cause of the Labor Court so I wrote to the highest body of work, the President of the Superior Labour Court (Minister MÍLTON DE MOURA FRANÇA), no response. As President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, who said the people and for the people and he has not even responded. At the First Lady of Brazil (Ms. MARISA LETÍCIA LULA DA SILVA) and no reply either. I wrote to the Prosecutor of the Republic (Minister ROBERTO SANTOS MONTEIRO GURGEL), and nothing. The Chairman of the National Council of Justice (Mr. Gilmar Mendes), and nothing. At the agency that monitors the highest level the Labor Court, the Superior Court of Labour (CLÁUDIA DIREITO PONTES), and nothing. So I dennoncé the Correctional Service of Public Prosecutor (Ms. Volkmer de Castilho Wiecko ELA), and nothing. At the Council of Federal Justice (Minister FRANCISCO LEITAO), and nothing. In the Superior Court of Justice (Minister CÉSAR ASFOR ROCHA ), and nothing. In the Superior Court of Labour (Minister CARLOS ALBERTO DE PAULA REIS) and nothing again. My last hope, the president of the highest Court of Justice, The Supreme Tribunal Federal (Minister CEZAR ANTÔNIO PELUSO) that I thought was at least his honest, no answer. So much of people and still unanswered. I told myself then, I'll dénnoncer to the press because we have a free press in Brazil. That was what I thought, because the judges don 't like that we talk about their stories of money to the press. The newspaper Folha de São Paulo, which is perhaps the most reputed in Brazil 's been a sticking Ammende of more than R$ 5.000.000,00 (FIVE MILLION reais), because they dared to show a judge on his yacht very Top Luxury (priceless thing on his salary). Since then, nobody says anything. I sent a copy of all my evidence and were omitted during prosecution, but they were all scared. The press is afraid of justice now. In my case I have seen my apartment being sold with 85% of its real price, although I have 15 (fifteen) years to buy and they have captured to maintain their lifestyle nababesque. I can not sleep, because in a few days I must leave my house and I don 't go. I will receive after paying the debts equivalent to R $ 10,000.00 (ten thousand reais), while they are s pocketing more than R$ 500.000,00 (half million reais) on my back. And I even received death threats now. But I don 't care less royally, live or die on the street what is the difference. They did not even have mercy when I got my certification has shown their seropositivity, by explaining that I am HIV positive for 20 (twenty) years and I didn 't have the strength to fight as before. But I sent my certificates and examinations TO ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS LETTER indicated measurements. They 're all just turned their backs. This is no longer scandalous fortunes owned by President Lula interlude of his son. Their lifestyle is more important than the survival of a person. If you can grasp this letter published, I would be eternally grateful, because here no one dares. The press in Brazil is not free. MARCELO SILVA
May 6, 2010